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Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:36:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:Ishtars are popular because of the old drone assist exploit FC's used in the past. So allot of people are using ishtars because of this. Nerfing them any more then what was already done is too much. Then you have the folks who have been destroyed by a small gang of ishtars complaining even though they brought kitchen sink fleet fitted for anoms to counter them. People are after the ishtar because it is the preferred ship due to its ability to deploy sentryGÇÖs and run around tricking the enemy to stay in the range of influence of the sentry guns. If you nerf the Ishtar the complaints will just move to the tengu or the demios. If you want to make a change try buffing web drones or nerfing sentry EHP.
Partially correct. Drone assist was a lot of the reason, however they are still very overpowered compared to their counterparts. Which other HAC does 670dps at 72k + 48k falloff? Or 752 dps at 41k + 18k falloff?
...while also having a decent tank and is capable of 1,500+ m/s?
I can't think of any...they are far too much into the realms of BS-level DPS and need addressing. The current plans do not go far enough however.
People are already complaining about the Tengu, not sure about the Deimos (really?), although Tengu's are not invincible by any means.
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Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:47:00 -
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bundy bear wrote:Can we get the sacrileges spare high moved into the lows please. The ship is so damn underwhelming.
It could use another low, but not at the expense of the 'spare' high. That high has a very good use. |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:07:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Cherry Yeyo wrote:Its so easy to bomb and wipe out an entire fleet I'm sure you did it many times, wouldn't be a problem to link your killboard. Or would it? Bomber were there for ages, and for ages there were large BS fleets. If a fleet has a proper anti-bomber support, it's close to impossible to bomb them.
It's never impossible to bomb a fleet, difficult yes, but not impossible. Bombers are incredibly low-risk and cheap to fly while the impact they have is completely disproportional. Despite my love of bombers and obliterating BS fleets they have had (in my opinion) a negative impact on the game by virtually eliminating the BS class of ships from the battlefield. Similarly for Tier 3's in fact.
The only BS fleets you tend to see now are Navy Apocs, Tempest Fleets and Megas (due in part to their low signature radius) and Apocs (cheap Napoc to counter Ishtars). Virtually every other BS hull (barring boutique fleet setups) is relegated to be mothballed when bombers are so prevalent. I know this isn't a bomber thread but I hope it is being looked at. |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.08.12 06:39:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote: We expect that some of you will feel this is far too gentle on the Ishtar, and we understand that (it's what we heard from the CSM as well), but we get releases very often now and we're happy to be conservative here, rather than nuke it out of the game, and just make more changes if they're needed in the following release.
Looking forward to your feedback as always
Note for clarity: Hyperion release date is August 26
Thanks for your continued efforts on balancing, however;
* The entire eve community has already told you the Ishtar changes are not effective and demonstrated why
* The CSM has also told you this change is not effective
* Over 70 pages of feedback in this thread are telling you that this is not good enough
* Why aren't you listening?
Expecting us to be happy with this dogmatic position is an insult in the context of the statement "we get releases very often now" considering the Ishtar will have been in this broken state for what...8+ months before this completely ineffective change?
Assuming you do not change your position, how long until we get the next iteration with an effective, balanced fix? Another 8 months? Genuine question.
Can we open the [next release] HAC changes thread now to get the ball rolling? (can we also include a look at the BS and Bombers issues (separate) which you acknowledge as well please).
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